Saturday, December 17, 2016


Religious Use of Marijuana Discussion


I was just wrapped into a conversation on Facebook on religious use.  We currently have a significant number of people who believe that Cannabis was and is the Tree of Life, and should be used religiously if they desire to. Yet religious use is denied in the US court systems, you are simply not permitted to make a religious marijuana use defense, in the United States.  NORMAL came out with a film a couple years ago basically saying there is no hope for Religious use.



Well that is not acceptable.  We are guaranteed our religious use rights in the First and the Fourteenth Amendments.

 We need to come together for a strategy on religious use in the USA. I am tired of great religious people going to prison for religious use. The Holy Oil must be returned, with freedom and dignity. There are plans to return the Holy incense as well, which  also fulfills prophesy.


We base Religious use on the Holy Oil of God in Exodus 30:23 "Keneh Bosem" of the Torah. This scripture refers to over 6 pounds of marijuana boiled into the Holy oil and used for anointing and poured over the incense, and burnt inside the church. This crosses a number of different religions. We consider marijuana to be sacrament of the Tree of Life. As Christians we believe that the anointing or chrism to be the act of becoming a christian or an anointed one. The return of the Holy Anointing Oil is a matter of prophesy. We must return this legally, with freedom and dignity. The question is how to do this in an environment where our court systems refuse to allow a religious use defense.

I invite commentary here from everyone.  You are most likely here because you are researching the term kaneh bosem. This discussion is where we are at in the real world fighting the Antichrist.

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24 comments:

  1. I'm a convert to the Mormon Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and we have The Word of Wisdom which is revelation from God saying that alcohol, tea, coffee, cigarettes and mind-altering drugs like marijuana are not for the body. We are taught the moral and physical reasons to avoid using these things. This HELPS us. It is good to understand why we shouldn't use mind-altering drugs to have "fun". That is not what TRUE fun is! That is what makes it wrong! The LDS church is the true church, restored on the Earth in the latter days AFTER the Bible was published. AFTER. Yes, we all know about Jesus and wine in the Bible; but again, Heavenly Father has restored the true church on the Earth in the latter days, and part of that church is The Word of Wisdom where He tells us that it is not right to use mind-altering drugs like alcohol.

    But I didn't drink even BEFORE I had religious beliefs, and my husband isn't Mormon and not even particularly religious, and HE doesn't drink. You don't have to be Mormon or religious to know not to drink or smoke pot. It is just common sense. My whole point is that a grown adult should be WELL PAST the age where they'd want to use a mind-altering drug to get buzzed, relax, have "fun", etc. And we will NEVER get the pot smokers to understand why it's wrong to use drugs, as long as people use alcohol! Their number one excuse is, "pot is safer than alcohol." I tell them over and over we shouldn't use EITHER of these things! How hard is that? People need to grow up and set an example! And I sure never smoked POT. Nobody ever offered me pot or talked about it to me or anything! And I was a teen in the 70s! Same for my husband! You had to be a totally different person to do such a thing! And we sure don't know anybody now who smokes pot, approves of it or knows were to find it. It is illegal! Even if it were legal it doesn't make it right! Again, people need to grow up and set an example! And as far as marijuana and religion, a religion is supposed to teach people to AVOID using mind-altering drugs, not encourage them to light up a joint, smoke it and get high, or to drink alcohol! Otherwise, what is a religion FOR? Heck, I wasn't even religious in high school or college and I sure never smoked POT. I've never even SEEN marijuana!

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    1. Those certainly are your Beliefs. Thanks for sharing. My God, Created all Life on Earth ! Gave us All We Need, for Life and Healing. Medicinal Plants, He Put Here for our Benefit... Who is Any MAN, to say the Creator of All Life, made a Mistake with Cannabis ??????????

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    2. That is why BELIEFS are like ASSHOLES . . . everyone is entitled to theirs but they are not entitled to mine. A vast majority still believe interracial coupling is a sin and an abomination in the eyes of their God-trip and a disgrace to the family; same with homosexuality. Many believe we must set a better example than to engage in those consenting activities, and others, like sodomy and oral copulation---all consensual activities once banned and criminalized. It is ignorance to enforce the will of the Moron Majority with criminal codes based on political policies that break the law to violate our rights and imprison us. 750k POTHEADZ a year are sacrificed to slaughter ---50 million more live in terror of this siege finding them---while sheeple lead lambs to the slaughter in the name of their righteous beliefs, family traditions, well formed opinions and deeply held feelings. When you make assumptions of God's will you are a blasphemer, so you are failing your own belief system to impose your interpretation of what The Almighty deems damnable. If no one is crying out for help to be saved or spared from my activity then they have no right to say another word. If somebody tokes up or turns a trick or shoots heroin you are free to walk away. That is what separates an unlawful crime from an consenting act. A criminal does something to you against your will. Cannabis Prohibition is a crime against humanity and all who serve THE EVIL EMPIRE in the name of God to persecute us can go to hell! https://www.facebook.com/thorne.peters/videos/vb.100002110628199/862174223862924/?type=2&theater

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    3. The Mormon religion (LDS) is a Pure anti-Christ religion. It takes away teachings of Christ and replaces it with Words from a Man that claims to have a new message from an angel. a message that directly contradicts much of Christs Teaching. That is the full measure and Undeniably ANTI CHRIST. Come out of the False teaching you have been in Love with. Read The word Of God. Toss out That Book of Mormon It is The Devils Work Straight Up.

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  2. Oh Cindybin, Very cool to have you as a guest. I was impressed to the point of religious use. Even you may learn some things here. Welcome.

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  3. Hi there Terry and friends, aloha. Thanks for the invitation to visit and comment here.

    I hear you about getting judges to recognize Cannabis as a legitimate spiritual / religious sacrament and the primary active ingredient in the holy anointing oil, among other forms. To that end my wife Share and I are petitioning the U.S. Supreme Court right now for a writ of certiorari in our religious use of Cannabis case. I'll keep you posted as we progress.

    Messiah = anoint. Christ = anoint. Madhi = anoint. All three religions have anointing as THE key factor and all three religions are looking for the return of their anointed. tick-tock ...

    Big thanks for who you are and what you do, Terry.

    With brotherly love and respect,

    Roger

    www.thc-ministry.org
    www.the-last-marijuana-trial.com

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    1. Greetings Roger. Thanks for the post.

      A U.S. Supreme Court challenge may work. However the Supreme Court has turned down appeals on Religious use, most recently an American Indian Group in Hawaii.

      In my film, Chris Conrad stated the the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was put down by the Supreme Court, because it was beyond Congresses power and that the the first and fourteenth amendment has already freed religious use.

      Keep us posted on how your case is going. Great thanks for all your work on religious use.

      Love and respect to You and the THC Ministry.

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    2. Hopefully we will get a lawyer or two in this. I doubt we will come up with a plan anytime soon. They are free in Canada to use a religious use defense. I have heard about an American Indian group using marijuana religiously under a State Law. There are a couple of groups in Indiana using a State Religious Freedom Restoration Act Law. I suppose we could try to get these State Religious Freedom Restoration Laws expanded.

      But I would still like to see someone fighting using the First and Fourteenth Amendments. That could be used both at the State level as well as the Federal level.

      The other thing we could do is just Legalize State by State. But then I have not seen anyone setting up religious use in legal States.

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    3. Roger I lied in the last statement. I just found out there is a new cannabis church in Colorado. I wish them welcome.

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  4. 1) The Office of Mr. Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis is recognized as the Established Church of Georgia, Statute of 1758 in International, Federal, State and Canon Law, as fulfilling all the Law and Prophets. Google: NPI 1710387691

    2) The Established Church of Georgia, Statute of 1758 is the "Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England" but NOT the Church of England. This ministry is fully authorized to teach truth of doctrine for the Word of God. And agrees that yes, "the tree of life is just medicine made from the plant". See Claim of Right Reverend Gregory Karl Davis on the Universal Orthodox website.

    3) Generally speaking, the practice of the Cannabis Sacrament ministers are insane IF the definition of, "doing the same thing over and over expecting different results," is accepted. The practice is to get caught with cannabis and then cloak the possession with the Word of God from TORAH that the KNH BSM in the Exodox definition of the Holy Oil of Moses is cannabis buds. And therefore, since Cannabis Buds are in the law of Moses therefore, the
    Criminal Trial Court must recognize the use as religious and the judge must order and acquittal of the Criminal Charges. Or, in the alternate, the Jury will hear the evidence or the propounding of belief and come forward with a Jury Nullification of the Criminal Charges.
    (a) the entry of the NOT GUILTY PLEA waives all religious and medical use as a Defense. And so, the insanity begins. The cry of evil and corrupted judges not allowing the defense is a non starter. IF, the use is medical or religious, then the accused simply cannot be put to Criminal Trial.
    (b) the proper way to defend the Criminal Accusation of engaging in Commercial Sales of the contraband Marijuana is to deny the accusation. Then, continue with a Demand for Bill of Particulars filed with the District Attorney to define the accusation.

    (c) a Plea or Recognition of the Charges as being Valid then becomes a NON STARTER. An entry of Plea cannot be forced upon an Accused where there is NO CRIMINAL INTENT

    (d) the latest research indicates a NO MENS REA plea could effectively sidestep the entry of NOT GUILTY forced upon the accused in Criminal Indictment or Information.

    (e) forgoing the very real defense of "understanding the nature and cause of the accusation" is available yet NOT ever fully utilized in any case anywhere in the United States. Ultimately if forced to trial, the NO MENS REA defense allows for defense of "no criminal intent" for the jury to decide.

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    1. Technically it is not a plea. We are NOT GUILTY by reason of NO MENS REA. We did not commit a guilty act because our activity is not criminal. NO GUILTY MIND NO VICTIM NO CRIME NO TIME! We are not fighting the charges; we are fighting the right of THE EVIL EMPIRE to charge us with crime. Like a Negro sitting in a JIM CROW lunch counter. We did what they say we did but we did nothing to no one when we do it. As we were supposed to have learned when PLINY THE YOUNGER abolished the Prohibition against Christianity on the grounds they committed no harm against anyone, we can only be charged with a crime for what we do to another not for what we do to ourselves and with others who consent. Offending someone is not the same as victimizing them. This why we had to get religion out of the courts and out of our schools. It justifies ignorance and bigotry . . .
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Younger_on_Christians

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    2. Greetings Thorne, Thanks for coming on my invitation. We are all interested in this NO MENS REA defense that you have recently been posting on facebook. Greetings, Many Thanks, and Good Luck my friend.

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    3. For those following this thread, the case is out to July. I will keep you posted.

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  5. Greetings Greg, well said.

    I know you know some of the heads of the Ethiopian Zion Coptics. Are they using a similar protection? Perhaps you could invite someone from there in this conversation.

    We will see if NO MENS REA works in March. I have seen a number of videos of churches filming the making of The Holy Anointing Oil. The word is spreading and the the Chrismation is spreading. The better we arm ourselves legally, the sooner it will be returned.

    Thanks Bro

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    1. Regarding your point e. Correct this has not been tested in the USA. With what you have described this sounds like a great test on lower level possession charges. It stops them from denying you from making a religious use defense. Very interesting.

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    2. If it did go to trial, religious use could be used as the justification of NO MENS REA or no criminal intent citing the First and Fourteenth Amendments on religious use. This could work.

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    3. The big question is if the Judges will accept a NO MENS REA case, especially with religious use attached. But I think we might be on to something. This discussion just hit #4 on Google search of religious use of marijuana. That should get us a few attorneys that are looking at the subject.

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  6. The fatal flaw has been to proceed to court or to the polls with the intent to change the law with precedent or policy rather than following it to the letter. NO MENS REA! This is part of a larger legal phrase. ACTUS REUS NON FACIT REUM NISI MENS SIT REA. It is the legal standard for bringing criminal charges. Translated it means that in order for the act to be guilty the mind must also be guilty. Ipso facto, for the act to be guilty it must be criminal. CASE CLOSED! Our rights are being violated by unconstitutional political polices enforced by unlawful criminal codes. Listen to what the battle in court sounds like when you make The Legal Industrial Complex face the law of the land . . .
    LIVE COURT ACTION/DRAMEDY! August 5, 2016 . . . TN. LISTEN as JUDGE PAULA SKAHAN (the 1st openly GAY judge in TN) confesses to THE KINGPIN THORNE PETERS in open court that MENS REA is a matter for the jury to deliberate and the State has the Burden of Proof to diagram the anatomy of our alleged crime (@5:40). So, if you catch a WEED case, tell the Court that you are prepared to proceed PRO SE to jury trial and just say NO MENS REA! The plea to set us FREE! THE TRIAL OF THE MILLENNIUM begins March 20, 2017 (“THE POTQUINOX”) in Memphis, TN . . .


    https://www.facebook.com/thorne.peters/videos/vb.100002110628199/1063790613701283/?type=2&theater

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    1. Thanks Thorne, Please continue to post with us. I will be excited to hear how it goes in March. We may have even have new info here. Just takes a few young lawyers and the right movement, if they are not afraid. Peace Brother win or loose. We fight the Antichrist and for fulfillment of prophesy. Jump for joy. Peace.

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  7. Greetings all.

    I just wanted to comment on all this again. Honestly the only way to do this is legalization. There are now cannabis based churches forming in legal States. Canada is about ready to legalize nationwide by July..?? That free's the Canadian Church of the Universe and other cannabis churches.

    Once legal we can no longer be thrown in prison for religious use. Lets just legalize it.

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